I'm not trying to get it changed, but recently someone talked to me about level of job and level of AF2.
The rules state that your job has to be 65+ to lot and win a City AF2, and 71+ to lot on. The rules seem fair, but, as this person brought up, why was it that people who have the job at 65 can beat people who have the job at 75.
Logically yes, it does make sense that if you can use it that night, then you should get it before those who will have to level for weeks and weeks and months before they can even think about wearing this.
Im pretty sure other link shells use it his rule, but we don't. I'm not trying to get it changed, I would just like to know if there was a reason behind not doing it.
Lot rules question
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Its something that concerns me too.. As I lost the only NIN AF2 lot I lotted over 400 on to a 66NIN, who later disconnected and didnt even finish the raid. To make it worse, I still havent seen this person do another raid with HH.
While letting people lot for their secondary/third jobs is a great incentive to get them to attend, I really think the only time a person with a job under Lv70 wins AF2 is when that AF2 will rot... Like how Lung won DRK AF2 in Glacier.. It was going to rot, so he was given permission to lot it. (Lung is 75DRK too, but his main was NIN)
What it comes down to is: Are people really in dynamis for themselves or for the experience? There are people who havent won anything, and there are people with nearly full AF2, now lotting on Af2 for their lv63 job... While people who have this job at 75 watch it rot. Selfish much?
Anyways i hope this makes sense.. its really early in the morning @_@
While letting people lot for their secondary/third jobs is a great incentive to get them to attend, I really think the only time a person with a job under Lv70 wins AF2 is when that AF2 will rot... Like how Lung won DRK AF2 in Glacier.. It was going to rot, so he was given permission to lot it. (Lung is 75DRK too, but his main was NIN)
What it comes down to is: Are people really in dynamis for themselves or for the experience? There are people who havent won anything, and there are people with nearly full AF2, now lotting on Af2 for their lv63 job... While people who have this job at 75 watch it rot. Selfish much?
Anyways i hope this makes sense.. its really early in the morning @_@
The original lots for City/Icelands was 65/71, but was changed when we went closed-raid to 60/65. This was to give people incentive to attend. But now since most have gotten a piece of AF from their respective zone, the current rules only allow them to lot non-main 100's.
I will soon modify the loot rules once again to allow changing lots but not affect those that still have not gotten their AF and have good attendance. This system is similar to what IceFarmer uses.
Also, there have been a few people that have dropped out/quit FF and have not yet been replaced. One reason is I was figuring out a fair way to let new members into the loot pool. Previously I've been replacing new members with the old member's job's slot and loot roll (which doesn't affect the overall count of that AF). With the new loot system, new members will have the same 'credits' as those that switch to a new AF loot.
Now the only thing I have left to decide on is whether or not to impose a level limit for rolling AF. I would like to not have a level limit to switch AF, but I would also like to think that people will not change to an AF for a job that they do not plan to level. But I will decide on this soon enough..
As for how 'credit' works:
It is solely based on attendance. Each time a player attends a raid, a point is added to the players loot credit for all zones. Rolling of AF is limited to those that fall within the rolling boundry which will be determined by either the average of all credits for that particular AF for that specific zone. Players that switch AF loot (after made official), their credits are then zero'd (0) and build credit again by attending. (those that have high credit for an AF and have not yet gotten them must thoroughly think over to change AF or not. Once official, you cannot get your points back if you decide to change back)
Will it affect those that still have not gotten their first choice AF?:
As long as your attendance is good, the boundry line will be high. But if your attendance starts to fall, you will lower the boundry line and eventually fall out of the boundry to even roll AF :O
Example:
Player A:
- Attendance = 10
- Lotting: X-WAR-10 | G-WAR-10 | J-WAR-10
Player B:
- Attendance = 9
- Lotting: X-WAR-9 | G-WAR-9 | J-WAR-9
Player C (poor attendance dood):
- Attendance = 5
- Lotting: X-NIN-5 | G-WAR-5 | J-WAR-5
ex 1. Player A gets tired of losing/waiting for his WAR AF and changes Xarc lot WAR>NIN. His lot for Xarc now becomes X-NIN-0. His attendance is still 10, but his credit becomes 0 from the switch.
ex2. A new Player D joins the LS and decide for Xarc to lot on NIN. He has 0 attendance, so his lot for Xarc is X-NIN-0.
ex3. NIN drops in Xarc during the raid. Who can roll? From the 4 players, the credit for NIN are: 5,0,0 (players B is not nin, so it's not counted). The average (rounded up) is 5/3 = 2. 2 is the boundry line to lot. In this case player C get to roll.
The calculation of the boundry line is not yet official. I will be incorporating the number of raids held since day-1 of having closed raids to determine the boundry (this is so that people that have been waiting for AF since the beginning get their's first)
I will soon modify the loot rules once again to allow changing lots but not affect those that still have not gotten their AF and have good attendance. This system is similar to what IceFarmer uses.
Also, there have been a few people that have dropped out/quit FF and have not yet been replaced. One reason is I was figuring out a fair way to let new members into the loot pool. Previously I've been replacing new members with the old member's job's slot and loot roll (which doesn't affect the overall count of that AF). With the new loot system, new members will have the same 'credits' as those that switch to a new AF loot.
Now the only thing I have left to decide on is whether or not to impose a level limit for rolling AF. I would like to not have a level limit to switch AF, but I would also like to think that people will not change to an AF for a job that they do not plan to level. But I will decide on this soon enough..
As for how 'credit' works:
It is solely based on attendance. Each time a player attends a raid, a point is added to the players loot credit for all zones. Rolling of AF is limited to those that fall within the rolling boundry which will be determined by either the average of all credits for that particular AF for that specific zone. Players that switch AF loot (after made official), their credits are then zero'd (0) and build credit again by attending. (those that have high credit for an AF and have not yet gotten them must thoroughly think over to change AF or not. Once official, you cannot get your points back if you decide to change back)
Will it affect those that still have not gotten their first choice AF?:
As long as your attendance is good, the boundry line will be high. But if your attendance starts to fall, you will lower the boundry line and eventually fall out of the boundry to even roll AF :O
Example:
Player A:
- Attendance = 10
- Lotting: X-WAR-10 | G-WAR-10 | J-WAR-10
Player B:
- Attendance = 9
- Lotting: X-WAR-9 | G-WAR-9 | J-WAR-9
Player C (poor attendance dood):
- Attendance = 5
- Lotting: X-NIN-5 | G-WAR-5 | J-WAR-5
ex 1. Player A gets tired of losing/waiting for his WAR AF and changes Xarc lot WAR>NIN. His lot for Xarc now becomes X-NIN-0. His attendance is still 10, but his credit becomes 0 from the switch.
ex2. A new Player D joins the LS and decide for Xarc to lot on NIN. He has 0 attendance, so his lot for Xarc is X-NIN-0.
ex3. NIN drops in Xarc during the raid. Who can roll? From the 4 players, the credit for NIN are: 5,0,0 (players B is not nin, so it's not counted). The average (rounded up) is 5/3 = 2. 2 is the boundry line to lot. In this case player C get to roll.
The calculation of the boundry line is not yet official. I will be incorporating the number of raids held since day-1 of having closed raids to determine the boundry (this is so that people that have been waiting for AF since the beginning get their's first)
Praise Altana! It looks like I still might get AF2 in my lifetime. xD
On a more serious note, this point system seems like a really good idea. ^_^d
EDIT: One quick question, will this allow people to choose multiple AF2s per raid? So could someone who's attended every raid say they want RDM,BLM,WHM AF2 and just choose one of the three when it drops or will we somehow limit that? I know you mentioned protecting those who haven't gotten any/many AF2s so far and was curious how that would work.
On a more serious note, this point system seems like a really good idea. ^_^d
EDIT: One quick question, will this allow people to choose multiple AF2s per raid? So could someone who's attended every raid say they want RDM,BLM,WHM AF2 and just choose one of the three when it drops or will we somehow limit that? I know you mentioned protecting those who haven't gotten any/many AF2s so far and was curious how that would work.
