Senj vs Fudo mainhand for Nin

[Mosh]

Hello all,
I'm having a hard time deciding on this, and a friend suggested I post here.. soo.. here goes.

First, the stats:
Fudo
DMG: 39 Delay: 227
Critical Hit Rate +3%

Senjuinrikio
DMG: 25 Delay: 227
Latent Effect: DMG: 38
Critical Hit Rate +6%
Lv. 72 NIN
(Yes, my Senj is unlocked)


I have recently read that the "Critical Hit Rate +%" bonus only applies to that weapon. So instead of a combined +9% Crit Rate, it is +6% and +3% seperately. The main focus of this, is Blade: Jin (Delivers a three-hit attack. Chance of critical varies with TP.). Jin's damage comes mainly from crits, so the question is if the offhand "Critical Hit Rate+%" affects the WS as well.


If not, then is giving up 1 DMG worth +3% Crit for WS? I'm not sure. I'm also unsure whether:

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1. If the Crit+% carries over all of the hits of the WS, or just the first hit. I'd assume no, since SA only affects the first hit of a multi hit WS.

2. If the Crit+% of the offhand weapon affects the extra hit in a WS given by Dual Wield. I'd assume yes.

So. If the Crit+% carries over all of the hits, the question is if giving up 1 DMG in mainhand worth +3% Critical Hits? Keep in mind that I'm also not building a crit+% build, as I can't obtain Byakko's Haidate, a large source of DEX.

So, please, share your thoughts and opinions on this. Or just call me a newb, it's all good.

[Kirakun]

To be honest, I don't know how off-hand crit% is accounted. But IMO, +6% on main-hand along with +4% from merits is more than enough.

The +3% would be diminishing returns as you can use something like Unji for extra stats and decrease overall swing delay. Assuming you have Haubergeon, and some other equipments that have a combination of +STR/+DEX and Acc, that should be a good setup. It is still very possible to Crit all Jin hits w/o Byakko Haidate, but of course it gives higher chances with it. Royal Knight's Breeches is a good substitue for the Legs slot in this case.

A Note about Jin: Blade Jin is 3 hits, but with Dual Wield, the 2nd Katana hit is accounted for, so it's actually 4hits. Along with a possible Double Attack duing WS, it can be counted as 5hits.

Personally, I would make sure that I have enough accuracy to consistently get back 11%TP return on Jin (I think that's the # for a 4hit jin). Then build on STR, followed by DEX. Critical is too random, even when at 6%, 10% or even 13%, so I feel 10% is a good number since it's a multiple of 10! lol

[Mosh]

Hm, I'll try Senj in mainhand today since I am on my way to an exp party.

And yes, I knew about DW making 4 hits, but DA has a chance to proc on both swings making it a possible of 6 hit Jin. Which is why acc is fun!

>.> Should have included my WS equip in first post:

Head: O-hat (10 acc)
Neck: C.chain (Str3 Acc5)
Body: Haub (Str5 Dex5 Att10 Acc10)
Hands: Okote (Att20)
Rings: Sniper (Acc5) and Rajas (Dex4 Str4 atm)
Back: Amemit+1 (Str2 Att15)
Belt: Life Belt (Acc10)
Legs: Dusk (Att14)
Feet: Creek (Str+4)

Which equals +40 Acc, +40 att, +18 Str, and +9 Dex. Which lacks on Dex, I know, but I didn't see a spot to put anymore. I felt the ATT14 on Dusk outweighted the Str+2 Dex+2 Att+3 on RK legs. Unless I go back to Spike Necklace for WS.

I'm trying out Senj/Unji in Mire at the moment.. it seems to be ok. But most everything is ok in the Mire.

[Kirakun]

If you have a BRD in PT, you can replace all those ATK pieces with +STR and DEX. Also, with sushi, I use about +25Acc and do a pretty high pecentage of non-miss Jins. You can try it out and see.

[jagz]

thz mosh for posting im a n00b nin and this give me lots of good info i was wondering about.

i still need O-hat im 3/5 on getting the eyes together blah~

[Sygus]

With sushi you don't really need sniper rings, O. hat, lifebelt or even haubergeon. Except if you don't have madrigal on mamool I guess. Stack up on str and haste(str rings, swift belt, turban, osode, af+1 hands or af2 hands). If you like macroing for ws(Im kinda lazy but it does do some difference) you can put on warwolf belt and O hat or shura kabuto on ws. Of course I mostly played ninja on Narius's char and he got a bunch of rare stuff. Your setup is probably fine but I think acc gears is often overated with sushi.

[Kirakun]

hmm did Nar have Katana merits?

[krazybean]

so my question is does Dual Wield enchancment directly effect Critical Hit %?

[Kirakun]

It shouldn't. Critical hit is independent per hand. One could think that Critical Hit rate is higher with Dual Wield, but that is due to more attacks per round, so one could see Critical Hit's more often, but the probability is still the same. Think of it as flipping a coin more often and tallying heads and tails.

DEX is the subtle stat that truly increases critical hit rate. I forgot the approximated amount, but the more DEX you have, the better your chances of critical are. Of course, this is also based on the mob's AGI. Don't expect to crit often off of THF mobs.

-- I noticed this with WAR. Alot of people go all STR on WS (ie) replacing Byakko DEX15 with WAR AF2 legs STR5. In my tests, I've noticed a higher average rampage with Byakko pants on. Of course if by chance all hits are criticals, then using AF2 legs would result in higher numbers.

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[Kirakun]

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That is cheat post.

[Sygus]

Yeah Nar was capped merits Katana and crit. You are right about dex. Plus the harder the mob the more crit rate matters. If you don't crit vs enhanced dragon you won't do much dmg. If you want to know how much dex rise your crit rate ask Kaylia for the numbers that's the kind of things he keeps messing around with. Except don't tell him you use sushi O_O;

[Kirakun]

Mithra DEX queen >_<

[Sygus]

Meh they swing katanas like they were wielding frying pans.