I think we need to work out some ideas to stop AF from being lost. It's one thing to lose city af, but it's waaay worse to lose xarc af. I am bringing this up because I don't want it to remain an unaddressed problem.
Some suggestions are to have a blm designated to D2. One thing that happened was that everyone was like "SOMEONE DISBAND AND D2". This will end some of the chaos that crippled us while time was lost. Another would be to add a firm punishment for people who go AFK without word in this situations. Perhaps lost Dynamis priviledges, or AF lotting. WHMs in parties could also teleport out.
If you're dead in Dynamis and no way to get raised in time to pass, home point. Your lost exp can be made back, but lost xarc af is a tragedy and no joke.
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Suggestions to stop AF from being lost.
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Suggestions to stop AF from being lost.
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I think SE needs to change the way drops are sorted when a raid is over. It's bullshit that we should even have to think about losing something this uber and rare. I for one am going to send an email to SE about this. I don't know or care if it'll do any good or not but it'll at least make me feel better. I feel like I'm going to be sick to my stomach.
If you dead there is no need to HP, just Alt Tab or unplug your internet cord and come back 5 min later to be raised.
But yeah, AFK or being passed out is unacceptable. I know Redice was drunk the entire raid and was starting to annoy me cause I came ready for Xarcabard cause I know its the hardest zone and I want to bring my A game and it pains me to see someone that doesnt care about us and comes to dynamis drunk. He probably ended up passing out and it turns out that we lost an AF because of it. I know its not his fault completely but still.
But yeah, AFK or being passed out is unacceptable. I know Redice was drunk the entire raid and was starting to annoy me cause I came ready for Xarcabard cause I know its the hardest zone and I want to bring my A game and it pains me to see someone that doesnt care about us and comes to dynamis drunk. He probably ended up passing out and it turns out that we lost an AF because of it. I know its not his fault completely but still.
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We've been to this scene before. Whenever last 5min drops occur, it's pretty much a lost item. We can't be D2ing/Porting out group when there is still a possibility that a time extension can still be gotten. Please think about that before deciding to drop glass and end a raid early.
As for last night, there was still a possible timer that we could have gotten if everyone were to focus on defeating the last NM rather than worry so much on passing up the drop.
As for last night, there was still a possible timer that we could have gotten if everyone were to focus on defeating the last NM rather than worry so much on passing up the drop.
If I'm not mistaken the AF was lost not so much because everyone didn't pass but because a lot of people were "red dotted" and DC'ing due to the server issues.
Like kira said, its kind but also risky to D2, break glasses etc at last minute as there is also a chance of getting an extention last minute which we have done in the past.
Strict punishment for not passing is also a bit harsh as most people are prevented from passing (dead, dc, etc) I highly, highly doubt anyone here doesn't pass because of maliscious intent. Its something slightly out of their hands to control in some situations. Its something too flimsy and not concrete to punish someone on. The only person who knows what's really going on at their computer is the player themselves.
And I'm sure everyone does what they can to their best judgement.
Losing AF is something extremely, extremely unfortunate but I don't think there's really any common ground to come upon that can truly fix it other than SE changing the game design all together.
I feel sorry for Cynic and Ninji, heck its happened to me also in a city once before. But unless we know people actually tried to prevent someone recieving AF with full intent on that outcome there's no rule or punishment that can prevent that in the future.
But I may like to suggest that anyone going AFK for a projected 5 minutes or more please be conciderate enough to use the Temp. Log feature.
We had kinda a bad night, actually three of my friends in other dynamis groups did also.
Like kira said, its kind but also risky to D2, break glasses etc at last minute as there is also a chance of getting an extention last minute which we have done in the past.
Strict punishment for not passing is also a bit harsh as most people are prevented from passing (dead, dc, etc) I highly, highly doubt anyone here doesn't pass because of maliscious intent. Its something slightly out of their hands to control in some situations. Its something too flimsy and not concrete to punish someone on. The only person who knows what's really going on at their computer is the player themselves.
And I'm sure everyone does what they can to their best judgement.Losing AF is something extremely, extremely unfortunate but I don't think there's really any common ground to come upon that can truly fix it other than SE changing the game design all together.
I feel sorry for Cynic and Ninji, heck its happened to me also in a city once before. But unless we know people actually tried to prevent someone recieving AF with full intent on that outcome there's no rule or punishment that can prevent that in the future.
But I may like to suggest that anyone going AFK for a projected 5 minutes or more please be conciderate enough to use the Temp. Log feature.
We had kinda a bad night, actually three of my friends in other dynamis groups did also.
Yeah, it's shitty that SE has such a stupid glitch still happen in Dynamis. Yes, it's hard to figure out what to do in these unforseen situations..
However, I refuse to believe that it is completely out of the players hands. I think that the absolute minimum could be to d2 them immediatley. It wasn't like it was many people across all the alliances, no.. it was just 2 who were in the same party.
I agree with you kio that perhaps any punishment wouldn't work too tell because no one is really sure why this or that person is afk without saying. I doubt they would do it just to maliciously ruin an af drop as well, however carelessness is no good reason either. It takes 1.5 seconds to click the temp log button and I'd expect no less unless their house was on fire.
HH is a really organized and advanced dynamis shell, so this kind of thing should have some plan for it.
However, I refuse to believe that it is completely out of the players hands. I think that the absolute minimum could be to d2 them immediatley. It wasn't like it was many people across all the alliances, no.. it was just 2 who were in the same party.
I agree with you kio that perhaps any punishment wouldn't work too tell because no one is really sure why this or that person is afk without saying. I doubt they would do it just to maliciously ruin an af drop as well, however carelessness is no good reason either. It takes 1.5 seconds to click the temp log button and I'd expect no less unless their house was on fire.
HH is a really organized and advanced dynamis shell, so this kind of thing should have some plan for it.
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My intent of HH is to let you guys enjoy Dynamis. Rather than having an open raid LS where new comers come and go after they get AFs, I enjoy having a set of people who constantly come back to enjoy and have fun. AF2 should be a prize for team work, but not something we should become malicious about just because something unfortunate occurs.
That's not really what I said though.Kirakun wrote:My intent of HH is to let you guys enjoy Dynamis. Rather than having an open raid LS where new comers come and go after they get AFs, I enjoy having a set of people who constantly come back to enjoy and have fun. AF2 should be a prize for team work, but not something we should become malicious about just because something unfortunate occurs.
This is all just suggestions as the title says, take it with a grain of salt as it appears you are doing (which is fine, it's your shell not mine and I'm just happy to be here). However, it doesn't seem like it would take a lot of effort to have some plan for when this happens. I'm not worried about the AF itself, but the people like Nin who rightfully won it but got screwed over by the system. He didn't deserve that.
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If it's the 'absolute' end of the raid, I don't mind people alt-tabbing/d2/warp the afk people or what not. But if it's something like Friday where timers are still left, no porting of anyone should be allowed. Also keep in mind that d2/boot people out of the blue some will find that offensive from my past experiences with sky LS's. Yes, they should be announcing AFKs whenever they go AFK, but there are many sides.
I still consider last 5min drops of AF to be unfortunate. Especially one that drops occur right at the 30second boot period. We really can't help those. I won't make a formal rule for last 5-min drops, but I may, in future raids, make in-game announcements to D2/port AFKers.
I still consider last 5min drops of AF to be unfortunate. Especially one that drops occur right at the 30second boot period. We really can't help those. I won't make a formal rule for last 5-min drops, but I may, in future raids, make in-game announcements to D2/port AFKers.
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2 raids a week
3 AF2 lost in this manner. (from my memory)
~5% of the raids this happens.
It's design, however I like Tilo's idea, it's up to Kira to make the call on the raid attendees.
People going afk should really be more careful about it. Temp logging really is the only choice. (although they miss the chance of a coin being sorted to them... so why not stay right?)
We are all gamers / players - so let's start playing again and for example, if you know this trip to the restroom is going to require a magazine, temp log and save a lot of headaches.
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2 raids a week
3 AF2 lost in this manner. (from my memory)
~5% of the raids this happens.
It's design, however I like Tilo's idea, it's up to Kira to make the call on the raid attendees.
People going afk should really be more careful about it. Temp logging really is the only choice. (although they miss the chance of a coin being sorted to them... so why not stay right?)
We are all gamers / players - so let's start playing again and for example, if you know this trip to the restroom is going to require a magazine, temp log and save a lot of headaches.
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First Objective: Win the Zone (Mega, Atteststation, etc)
Second Objective: To get maximum time in Dynamis Zone
Third Objective: AF
If it comes down to getting a timer, even it it's down to the last 45seconds, focus on the timer and not stare at the loot pool to see who did or didn't pass.
If there is no timer left and timer is running out, then I will decide what to do with those that are AFK at that moment.
Second Objective: To get maximum time in Dynamis Zone
Third Objective: AF
If it comes down to getting a timer, even it it's down to the last 45seconds, focus on the timer and not stare at the loot pool to see who did or didn't pass.
If there is no timer left and timer is running out, then I will decide what to do with those that are AFK at that moment.
